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I have grown very tired of keeping this forum alive and dealing with members here who have zero regard for me in posting potentially libellous material. To that end, I recently enacted a post approval system so I could control what appears here. Otherwise, such material would be posted and it could be some hours before I had an opportunity to edit such material.

The instant posting, which I allowed for five years, allowed members to interact and exchange ideas 24/7 and for the most part worked well. Recently though posts were made that left me vulnerable legally for the contents, so I enacted the hold on posts for approval method now in place.

Since I did that, all activity has pretty much ceased and not one person has offered any type of help to moderate the forum and I remain the sole guy with his butt on the line for some members to play with my financial life.

I think the time has come to shut down those who would ruin me (and there are only a couple who try) but I must do something.

Unless I can find some compelling reason to continue, it seems to me my only recourse, is to simply shut down the forum.

Anyone got a better idea, or are you content to just let this die?

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While I need some time to formulate a proper response to Head Honcho's post, suffice it to say that it would be a shame to lose this forum altogether however maintaining it through the efforts of a single individual is dauntingly impractical. I also believe that should it cease to exist the responsibility for such rightfully rests with us all perhaps to different degrees but without exception. Simply put things started to get out of hand resulting in a devolving 'free for all'. Hopefully it can be saved but barring that I want to thank 'Head Honcho' for his labors and dedication in providing us with a wonderful communication resource over these past years.

With the above being said, I realize that my words may be read by a very few considering the lack of activity in recent times!  [frown]
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I echo Murray's comments. I appreciate the huge undertaking that HH has taken to maintain this forum over the years, and have found it to be very interesting to follow. The forum has a special place on my favourites bar! That being said, at times it did get out of hand, and lately the sound of crickets has been deafening. With the upcoming election it would be nice to have the forum to discuss election issues and candidates, but I can see it devolving into something unmanageable quickly. Ultimately it will be HH's decision, it is just too bad it had to come to this.
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All I will say is that this is exactly the problem with anonymous posting and this is exactly why CBC changed their comment policy last year insisting that everyone use their own name.  
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While I do not disagree entirely with 'danapop' on the matter of anonymity the situation that has developed cannot be so simply explained. I contend that a more major factor in the malaise that currently exists on the 'Forum' is that too many contributors whether anonymous or otherwise allowed themselves to get caught up in the issues that objective reasoning gave way to overt subjectivity to such an extent that the 'discussions' became in many ways a war of personalities.

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Perhaps the only way to consider for the future is to demand real names and valid email addresses to contribute here. No more anonymous memberships allowed. That would change the decorum overnight, but my bet is that half the membership would opt out.

One thing I do know for sure is that I will not in any way even consider an election forum without real names and valid email addresses. Not even remotely. That is unless I decide to do something before September.

I would really hate to shut it all down as I worked so long and hard to offer an alternative to the scrap pile that is Facebook and the heavily edited comments in other media.
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I recognize that restricting posts by prior approval tends to stifle debate, so I have decided to re-open live posting so folks can discuss issues for the time being. That noted, please do not post anything in any thread that makes accusations against a person or persons actions that is not certified or proven beyond doubt. I will once again trust members to conduct themselves accordingly and not place me in jeopardy. Thanks for your co-operation and I will be monitoring things closely.
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It is intriguing that in the past 24 days since I posted the editorial which was considered to be potentially defamatory, no one has actually applied the applicable legal principles to the facts to determine if it actually constituted grounds for a legal action. Since the post involved a public figure, they would have encountered the various cases which lay out the principle known as "fair comment". Applying that principle to the statements made in the post would have rendered a conclusion that there was no potential cause of action.

Given that our Society is immersed in Postmodernism, which eschews reality, rationalism, reason, and logic, it is probably not surprising that such an elementary step did not occur. However, since I do not propose to post on this site in the future, the angst and fear of litigation should, it seems, be alleviated by my decision.

Hoping that the rest of you have as many enjoyable hours on this site as I have had in the past and may God hold you all in the palm of his hand.

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No matter what amount of time has passed, be absolutely clear about a few things.

First, I decide what is defamatory/legal/allowed here, and no one else.

Second, a public forum is NOT a courtroom. What goes on within a court of law is a totally different situation than what is acceptable in online media.

And finally, the word 'alleged' is missing from too many posters vocabulary when posting about sensitive subject matter.
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Your post exemplifies the points made in my post ... thank you.
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Head Honcho

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And I am relieved you have decided not to post any more. I feel much more secure now from reckless accusations.
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I am also relieved and now will follow the site more frequently.
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Wow, this site will be extremely boring during the next election. I never imagined it would become this "vanilla".
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If you don't have the cajones to use your real name during an election, yep it would be vanilla. On that we agree.

That is exactly why, if you have an opinion, stand behind it. If not, it won't appear here.
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ill use my real name. I could care less but there are people who may need to use anonymity... and their reasons may be very real!

I can only hope that when conversations get heated on this site (and real names are used), you'll have the decency to scold ALL parties involved. It's a little frustrating seeing free passes given (I assume) because they are using their "real names".
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You've done a real amazing thing on this site HH...... but when the Community Facebook page gets the election train rolling, it is a site like this that will be the only escape for those of us that can see through the propaganda BS they will be spewing.

Please let people share their concerns.
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ill use my real name. I could care less but there are people who may need to use anonymity... and their reasons may be very real! I can only hope that when conversations get heated on this site (and real names are used), you'll have the decency to scold ALL parties involved. It's a little frustrating seeing free passes given (I assume) because they are using their "real names".


That won't happen. I have yet to work out the details yet on how the site will appear for the election, or when it will open officially.

All comments from identifiable persons will be shared, provided they are kept clean of personal attacks and any unfounded accusations. Those types of comments will be edited.

I see no need for any heated conversations. I prefer to call them spirited arguments and those are fine and will be allowed, but only by real people with real opinions.

I am not trying to make anyone's right to comment difficult, just within the rules of engagement that will be established and published prior to the public forum being established.
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You've done a real amazing thing on this site HH...... but when the Community Facebook page gets the election train rolling, it is a site like this that will be the only escape for those of us that can see through the propaganda BS they will be spewing. Please let people share their concerns.


The community Facebook page will have some tough decisions to make to host their election discussions as well. There is little doubt that the page will have to be extremely careful, given the relationship with a possible candidate that is widely known. Their credibility of being anything but biased will be at the forefront of any election coverage they attempt. Not only that, any candidate connected with the page owners will also fall under the full scrutiny of the election act.

They will be carefully monitored in that regard.
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Not only that, any candidate connected with the page owners will also fall under the full scrutiny of the election act.

They will be carefully monitored in that regard.


OK, I will bite.

What exactly in the election act applies to a FaceBook page that is controlled by private citizens?

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