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Dennis Arneson

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I feel the point remains...he should be speaking to issues. There are some very good politicians out there. There are also those who haven't lost their "sense of entitlement". They need to do what my Dad used to tell me when I upset him as a young man...."Take your hands, grab yours ears and pull your head out of that warm, dark place it's been"
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Kenney would fight for Alberta, unlike Prentice.   I might join the party for the first time ever, weed out the liberals pretending to be conservatives.   The fact Kenney can't stand the Mayor of Calgary is good enough for me! 

Tick tock, Marie, you will be out of office shortly.
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While the legality of abortion is a federal issue, the access to and funding of abortions is very much a provincial one and varies from province to province across Canada. If he is successful in heading a right wing government, it is conceivable, pun not intended, that he might come under pressure to reduce access to abortions. Given this, I think it is perfectly appropriate for Renaud to ask him about his stance on abortions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Canada#Access_by_province


http://globalnews.ca/news/1694095/abortion-access-varies-widely-across-canada/

 

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/kenney-s-unclear-abortion-stance-imperils-reproductive-rights-analyst-says-1.3670335


 
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Give it a rest, your left wing scare mongering won't work this time. 
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You must be easily frightened if that was fear mongering. Perhaps you need a safe room to go sit quietly in for a while. Such gentle folk society's children are these days.
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HH has said that abortion is not a relevant issue for provincial politics. I provided information to show that is not the case. Providing accurate information to clarify or correct a position is not fear mongering and neither is asking a question that is a concern for many albertans i.e. PC party members and women. 

In the past Kenney has been strongly opposed to women’s rights to access abortion services. He now wants to lead a party that has supported female reproduction rights. We have the right to know his current position on this issue. How will he square this circle? This is not fear mongering. I am not is saying he will reduce access to abortions, that would be fear mongering, I am saying that he will have the power to do so and as such I want to know his position.

By admitting that she has had an abortion she is showing that this is not some intellectual, feminist issue for her, it is a personal issue and one of which she has some knowledge. She is to be commended for doing so because I think she knew full well that she might be subjected to narrow minded, simplistic and ignorant attacks.

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HH has said that abortion is not a relevant issue for provincial politics. I provided information to show that is not the case. Providing accurate information to clarify or correct a position is not fear mongering and neither is asking a question that is a concern for many albertans i.e. PC party members and women. 

In the past Kenney has been strongly opposed to women’s rights to access abortion services. He now wants to lead a party that has supported female reproduction rights. We have the right to know his current position on this issue. This is not fear mongering. I am not is saying he will reduce access to abortions, that would be fear mongering, I am saying that he will have the power to do so and as such I want to know his position.

By admitting that she has had an abortion she is showing that this is not some intellectual, feminist issue for her, it is a personal issue and one of which she has some knowledge. She is to be commended for doing so because I think she knew full well that she might be subjected to narrow minded, simplistic and ignorant attacks.



Yes, I said that that and I stand by that. Kenney would be a eunuch in any attempt to change current access to abortion, as he would require broad support within his own party and that is not going to happen. Most Albertans, and Canadians for that matter, seem content with current law.

The only fear mongering that is obvious right now is that of people who claim he will act and they have no basis for any concern.

And as for "narrow minded, simplistic and ignorant attacks", that very term could be applied to our MP's raising of the issue in the first place as easily as applying it to any single person's opinion, politician or not, although politician's motives are much more suspect.
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Some further thoughts for consideration.

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Good grief, the NDP are bent on destroying this province:

http://globalnews.ca/news/2610760/alberta-ndps-plan-to-phase-out-coal-could-triple-power-bills-coal-association/
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Good grief, the NDP are bent on destroying this province:

http://globalnews.ca/news/2610760/alberta-ndps-plan-to-phase-out-coal-could-triple-power-bills-coal-association/


Of course Brad Wall's government in Saskatchewan has a different approach:  see http://blogs.nature.com/news/2014/10/worlds-first-clean-coal-commercial-power-plant-opens-in-canada.html which says in part:

"The world’s first commercial coal-fired power plant that can capture its carbon dioxide emissions officially launched today in Canada — marking a milestone for ‘clean coal’ technology.

The Boundary Dam project, in Saskatchewan, aims to capture and sell around 1 million tonnes of carbon dioxide a year — up to 90% of the emissions of one of its refitted power units — to oil company Cenovus Energy, which will pipe the compressed gas deep underground to flush out stubborn oil reserves. Unsold gas will be hived off to the Aquistore research project."

But then Brad Wall has not been converted to the Global Warming Religion and therefore approaches problems pragmatically free from the religious dogma of Al Gore and Company unlike this NDP government of ours in Alberta.

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Found this on the twitter machine.  Notley has been clueless for awhile.

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Oh no? It looks like Dana's popped his doughnuts! Ever the opportunist, Dana is now beating the Social Justice Warrior drum about Brian Jean's comments respecting "beating"on Notley to get an old folks home for Ft. McMurray.

Of course, anyone who can read above a literal level fully understands that Jean was talking figuratively and has no intention of physically beating on little miss Notley.

However, I guess Dana sees an opportunity to gather in a few votes for himself by playing the "sexist" card. Given his history of switching back and forth between political parties, I guess he is gunning for a shiny new NDP card to ensure he is on the side of the political party which is currently in power.

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Seems those in the public eye need to grow a thicker skin. It's getting tiresome to listen/read the interpretations various individuals have to "any" comment that may "hurt" their ego/feelings. Get on with doing the job they were elected to do and put Orwell's Thought Police to rest.
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Reading the Gazette, it looks like the Social Justice Warriors, the Politically Correct missionaries, and the political opportunists may have had their two minutes in the sun.

However, a recent Angus Reid poll shows that 76% of Canadians think that political correctness has gone to far. See: http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/08/29/ canada-political-correctness-poll-angus-reid_n_11761738.html  

This may be because the vast majority recognize that the real battles for sexual equality occurred and were won long before these millennial snowflakes arrived on the scene . Consequently their outrageous indignation, which reminds one of the Christian Temperance Movement in its heyday, carries that stigma of doctrinaire fanaticism in which their rage is inversely proportional to the size of the social problem.

Considering both Sinclair and Brian Jean withdrew their remarks shortly after they were uttered, this whole melodrama reminds one of Shakespeare's Play "Much ado about Nothing."

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You can't un-fire a bullet.

It takes a big man to admit when he is wrong and to apologize for it. This has been a major complaint in these forums about Mayor Crouse. Pretending you didn't say something doesn't make it go away.

Linda H. (On FaceBook) has recently equated the Crouse "FC" comment to Gord (Shelley?), as just as bad. I guess the social justice warriors on this forum have been rumbling for years.

The big difference in the two most recent instances is that they were done much more publicly, Jean while speaking at an event and Sinclair in print (online equivalent - these forums had public access at the time). Jean admitted he was wrong and then apologized for it, Sinclair edited his post trying to hide it and then made an execuse but no apology for it (this is the same tactic that Mayor Crouse attempts to use, misdirect and never apologize).

Sinclair continues to misdirect by now saying it is Dana's fault.

Will the issue go away? No, when you a fire a gun you can't just hide the bullet afterwards and say it didn't happen. Sometimes you can repair the damage, an apology would have gone a long way to doing just that. In this case changing targets has just made things worse.

Mayor Crouse personally lost my respect years ago, now there is another member of that club.

(I am not sure how any of this belongs in the "NDP Destruction of Alberta" thread but as this forum software does not facilitate cross posting and setting of follow ups I have replied here.)


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Bottom line! Wrong thing to have said! Shouldn't have said it! Looks bad! I don't think anyone would actually agree to seeing her beaten. You can't honestly believe he meant it as actually physically beating her unless that's what where you want to take it...... which is how the NDP narrative will direct this for some time.

But not bad enough to discourage the majority of Albertan from voting out the NDP.

3 more years of this.......... it hard to imagine what the landscape of our province will be decimated to in that time with this government.

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@Kevin: Interesting examination of the Jean Notley, Crouse FC and the Sinclair Heron incidents. The parallels between the Crouse and Sinclair reactions had escaped me.

I am reminded of a quote from Martin Luther King "The ultimate test of a man is not where he stands in times of comfort or convenience but where he stands at time of challenge and controversy"

By this measure Crouse and Sinclair have failed the test. 

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It would seem that the suggestion of equivalency between Sinclair's response to his gaffe and that of Crouse's does not stand up to analysis. While both comments were made in public Crouse's reaction was to simply deny that he had uttered the words that several people heard him say. Sinclair, in contrast, never denied he didn't post the comments in question, took ownership and admitted he made a mistake. He then indicated that his attempts to mitigate the damages proved less effective than he hoped as Dana took the opportunity to spread the sexist remarks all over Facebook. It is not misdirection when you take ownership of your mistake.

Secondly, the suggestion the issue will not go away belies the fact that 76% of Canadians think that political correctness has gone too far and have probably concluded that this petty issue has already over stayed its time in the Press. Given that the real issues of gender equality were framed and largely resolved by the time the 60's were over this current rage over trivial comments like Brian Jeans shows their rage is inversely proportional to the size of the social problem. Rather than suggest this issue will not go away, it seems the statement reputed to have been said by Solomon in Fitzgerald's "Solomon's Seal" is more applicable. Solomon is requested for a sentence that would always be true in good times or bad and Solomon responds "This too will pass away."


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As it was Linda H/OMG that believed the two incidents to be equivalent I won't fault you in your inability to align them.

However, if you recall back to the first State of the City address that Mayor Crouse gave at the first Chamber gala after this council was elected, Mayor Crouse made a comment in his speech that he gets along with all but two of the current council. It was later that he stated he was only joking and of course when questioned about never apologized.

Hmmm, poorly chosen words, clearly in the wrong, stated he was only joking, no apology. Yup, you are right Cameron/TheSkeptic, these probably aren't equivalent either.

And yes my bias is in play here thanks to your politically incorrect insult directed towards me at the last Coallition meeting I attended.

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I always find it amusing when Kevin responds to a substantive rebuttal by guessing that I am Cameron MacKay given that he has no evidence of that fact.

In my case, unlike a government employee with no clientele, no suppliers, and no business concerns, people like myself in the private sector have to be continuously concerned that we do not say something which would cause us to lose business. Hence we post under a moniker .

Posting anonymously, of course, keeps the personality issues out of the equation and simply leave the substantive argument for consideration by the reader. That, in turn, should promote a substantive rebuttal by the reader if they so choose . The exception it seems is when they do not have a substantive rebuttal at which time there is a propensity to revert to the catty remarks which characterize the Facebook/Twitter culture.


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Nice try Cameron, you should be a little more careful when posting things here and then when chairing the Coalition meetings and use near identical wording in your presentation, it isn't coincidence.

Of course there is a slim chance I could be wrong but the only other persons as pompous as you is Patrick Draper. Should I be calling you Patrick?

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And that's the best you can come up with ?????   Good grief .... 
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Just wondering if this "76% of Canadians" is made up of equal men and women, or if the majority is men. I would like to see the statistics where they compare the percentage of men vs women who believe political correctness has gone too far. Might be interesting..
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Sadly the story does not contain those details:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/editorials/the-threat-of-political-correctness-real-and-imagined/article31691976/

I agree they would be interesting.
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Crouse called Shenna a "go nowhere, do nothing" councillor.

To this day, it's still the most ridiculous thing this guy has ever said!!!

How nervy!

Sheens's priorities - being sure taxpayer dollars are spent wisely.

Crouse's priorities - being sure to attend another block party with a smile on his face. Said smile obviously indicating he is a great mayor!!
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