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The wife just got home from St. Albert Centre where she was shopping. She left the mall at 5:25 and arrived in our driveway at 5:55. The route: Left out of the mall at the bus station onto the Trail. the Trail to Hebert, left on Hebert to Falstaff, left on Falstaff for 100 feet to Fenwick and left for nine houses.

When will the city admit their protected left turn program is a total failure?

It has chocked and snarled traffic at all hours of the day.

It is now easier to run into 137th Avenue in Edmonton and shop, you can do this quicker and easier than the mess city traffic planners have created.


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Re traffic problems in St. Albert, not only have they screwed up the traffic light situation, then they proceeded to mess up the traffic behind the hospital............they are now going to tackle St. Anne Street by the Grandin Medical Clinic..... and what does the city gain by this latest fiasco besides spending a lot of money on something that is not required.
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Reading yesterdays's copy of the Gazzete and in particular future plans for St. Annes Street brings forward the following.  Having narrowed Perron Street to one lane in each direction, we now see where there are plans to narrow St. Anne Street to one lane in each direction.  It brings the question forward, and that is with these moves has any consideration been given to emergency vehicles, that is Ambulance, Fire Trucks as well as the Police when an emergency crops up.  Perron has proved to be a problem from day 1 with problems backing out onto the single lane, and further how often do you see a delivery van with its rear ending jutting out onto the lane - not one spot has been reserved for truck loading from Sir Winston Churchill thru to Mission Ave. I will say in closing thank goodness they have not touched Levasseur Road thru to Gervais, I those living in Heritage as well as Grandin can still get out very easy and shop in Edmonton
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Scanning quickly through the Gazette's front page article on the 10-year capital growth plan, I was wondering if a new bridge would fall under that, or is that provincial? I see the tremendous congestion on the 2 main bridges in St. Albert (Boudreau and St. Albert Trail) and I have to wonder when the powers that be finally recognize the need for a bridge North or downstream from Boudreau. Especially given the expansion in Erin Ridge North. Maybe from Poundmaker Road or Sturgeon/Sir Winston Churchill across to Oakmont and then across Bellerose to Erin Ridge North and highway 2?
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Hi Folks!
Went out to dinner last night and used St Albert Trail to get into Edmonton to meet up with friends. What normally takes ten minutes took us 25, however that was not the issue. The issue was the condition of the trail three days after the large snowfall. I drive a 4X4 and it was all I could do to kept it in the proper lane, ice build up was in some areas 4 inches high. My question is how does the city with all its equipment and large staff which we pay for not plan properly to clean the main thoroughfare of this city. It's shameful just how bad it is. We all knew this storm was coming and yet our city ploughs were MIA. The road northbound at Sturgeon Rd (Where the hill is) is a skating rink. Three cars were attempting to stop at the light half way down the hill and were able to stop three quarters of the way thru the intersection. Where are the sand trucks????. If the city needs to see how it should be done, let them continue the drive south to 156th street where Edmonton starts and notice immediately how they scrap to the pavement. Maybe our staff need a refresher course on how to clean streets.
The Mayor should be embarrassed. He does know that we live in this type of weather, no?
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I second wiseman...I also drove the Trail last night into Edmonton and back. I was in a minivan, wishing I was in an all-terrain vehicle. The road was an icy washboard, not a trace of sand or grit apparent. On the trip home (North) I watched a van ahead of me slide sideways for a bit. I chickened out before the downhill portion and turned right into Sturgeon, taking side roads the rest of the way home to Erin Ridge. At least those streets were quiet and not as icy.
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Between the potholes and ice, the RR crossing at Levasseur is so terrible that all the automotive
mechanics in town must be smiling: wrecking suspensions of even larger vehicles, and a small one does not stand a chance. Easier and safer to go the long way down to Riel Drive and Holes by using 184 Street and Levasseur!
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My mother witnessed the immediate aftermath of a car that lost control on icy, washboard Hebert Road. It had plowed into a tree on the median. It's been 3 days since the snow stopped. Why are main roads still in such terrible shape? And why are a number of city sidewalks still not cleared? I walk my dog every morning and I'm still waiting for the city to clear the sidewalks along Eldorado and Erin Ridge Drive past Eldorado. There are bus stops and mailboxes along those sidewalks. The Red Willow Trail system in Erin Ridge is also not done. Yet my daughter tells me all the city walks where she lives in Edmonton (Westmount) are cleared off. I guess it's a myth that our higher taxes pay for better snow-clearing.
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The railway crossing into Riel park off SWC near the fire hall is a disgrace. What is the city doing? Four full days since the storm and the city is a mess. I guess they want things to match the traffic light protected turn mess on  the Trail.
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The real gotcha is that council is talking LRT right down the middle of St Albert Trail....eliminating 2 lanes of traffic. Cam brought up the cost per km but they don't seem to blink. You would think that admin/council would be ashamed of throwing $500 000 away.
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After listening to Sheena's presentation, which by the way made common sense - it would appear that words are going to deaf ears.  No consideration given to population growth (not only here but Morinville and Sturgeon County) as she stated within 10-15 years traffic could grow by another 10,000 cars going towards Edmonton and the same in the evening returning. At times you just have to shake your head wondering when this stupidity will be exceeded by something else. 
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Lunacy is alive in St Albert!!!
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A follow up to the lunacy of the gang of five. Picture 20 years down the road with the changes mentioned with the LRT going down the center of the St. Albert Trail and the narrowing of the roadway...... Say the city has an early dump of snow similar to what we just had..........imagine the traffic jam with the number of vehicles that have grown since the 'idea' was put forward...........if this was brought to CROUSE'S attention , I could hear him respond with the following that he has it on good authority no more large dumps of snow due to the change in the weather patterns such as Global Warming. After all it appears he has an answer for everything. 
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Warmodel, in all my years I have never seen a more dysfunctional group of councillors. An LRT going down the Trail, spending billions of $ and the worst of it all Heron's trees will have to be turfed. A town that is 7 km by 7 km is looking at an LRT!!!! Where is the common sense?
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Gord:  It would not surprise me that in time we will see the likes of either Prefontaine or Osborne come up with the idea that we also require a dedicated 'bike lane' along St. Albert Trail - after all Edmonton has worked on a similar project, and if they have one why can't St. Albert? That's all this city would need down the road, a dedicated bike lane,  an LRT that would never pay for itself, a major road being narrowed, an increase in vehicle traffic (including an increase in truck transit).  WHY DOESN'T THE CITY ADDRESS THE PRESENT ST. ALBERT TRANSIT PROBLEM - LOT OF EMPTY BUS TRAFFIC - IS THIS NOT A PROJECT THAT HAS EXISTED MUCH TOO LONG?  With that subject aside, I can see a small glimmer of hope in the distance and that is, citizens of this city have another 2 years and 10 months to take a very serious look at what we supposedly have as members of council making decisions that will have a major effect on taxes, etc.
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Gord:  sorry you stand to be corrected. The word is DYSFUNCTIONAL, not dysfunctional!!!!!!!!!!!!
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To those that might be interested refer to the "TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN" for St. Albert which states in part the following:

Objectives of the 2014 Transportation Master Plan:

1) Enhancement of the Roadway Safety and Efficiency:
2) Integration of Transportation and Land Use.
3) Encouragement of Active and Alternative Forms of Transportation.
4) Application of Intelligent Transportation Systems in line with the "SMART City" strategy.
5) Sustainable Transportation Asset Management.

HAVE YOUR SAY!

Residents have the opportunity to provide their input on the transportation Master Plan through surveys, workshops, online consultation and a public event.

Participate in the online survey - extended to January 22, 2015:

Apparently this survey was completed Sept. 22 to Oct. 30  -  How many were aware of this???????????

Highway 2 Intercept Survey - completed on Sept. 23, 2014

Goal: To understand peak travel patterns of travellers using Highway 2 North in st. Albert, including non-residents who travel to/from or through st. Albert from other area (e.g. Morinville commuters etc.).

The Transportation Master Plan is scheduled for completion in September 2015 and will be presented to Council; in October 2015.

The question arises WHY is this council making decisions relative to (in their own mins) an LRT service long before the Master Plan has been presented???????????????






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Someone mentioned Edmonton's road conditions after the dump of snow we had.  Add the Grove and Stony to a growing list of better serviced municipalities. They had cleared a number of their roads BY SATURDAY AFTERNOON.  Nice smoooooth jobs.  Vehicle suspensions appreciated it too.

Guess less taxes equals better service which means St. Albert is at the bottom of the barrel.
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Ted wrote: "Broadhead quotes the mayor of Mississauga about transportation, a city of 730,000 people and applying comments to St. Albert?"

Hazel McCallion?  If you watched recent documentaries on her, she was a force to be reckoned with when it came to caring for people.  36 years in office is nothing to sneeze at. (retired a couple of weeks ago at age 93)

Did Brodhead add that transit was only looked at because of Mississauga's economic development?  If it had stayed a sleepy little bedroom community like St. Albert, no way would she have even suggested it at the cost it would have been to taxpayers.

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warmodel wrote: The question arises WHY is this council making decisions relative to (in their own mins) an LRT service long before the Master Plan has been presented???????????????

Council is famous for showing that master plans and committee recommendations are only window dressing for the people.  Remember the water committee and their recommendations to leave well enough alone?  But Crouse decided to ignore their indepth research and recommendations and wants to proceed with superrfluous water policies.  The same is happening this time round.

Taxpayers' time, money and opinions are irrelevant when they see us as an open wallet.

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Galt said in part:   “Council is famous for showing that master plans and committee recommendations are only window dressing for the people.  Remember the water committee and their recommendations to leave well enough alone?  But Crouse decided to ignore their indepth research and recommendations and wants to proceed with superrfluous water policies.  The same is happening this time round.”

 

Galt's observation about “window dressing” seems to be sadly accurate. Crouse et al's idea of a democracy is one in which there is no real decision making by the general public. All decisions are made by the so called professional bureaucracy ….. rubber stamped by the council …. and that's his idea of a democracy.

 

This, I suggest, explains why when MacKay talks about a “direct democracy” the Mayor quickly recognize that if such a plan was implemented it would take control out of the hands of him and his gang of bureaucrats. Hence, he and his cronies on council make sure that the direct democracy motion never sees the light of day.

 

The result of this lack of democracy is a Council who is talking about an LRT down the St. Albert Trail rendering car traffic impossible at a cost in excess of a billion dollars.

 

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LRT Down the middle of the Trail would work if it was above ground like the Skytrain in YVR, otherwise it's a brain dead idea. (and of course the population out here explodes 2-3x next 5 years).

Next election is D-day for this city.
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Could someone please explain the rationale for having an LRT run from its destinaation on the outskirts of Edmonton through St. Albert via the St. Albert Trail !!!!

It seems to me that most of the residents of St. Albert can jump in their car or take a bus to the planned LRT station on the outskirts of Edmonton/St. Albert within a few minutes. So how would it help to jump in the car or take a bus to an LRT  station existing along the St. Albert Trail? That being the case, what is the purpose of the LRT down the St. Albert Trail? Is it to ensure shoppers from Sturgeon County can by-pass the St. Albert businesses and commute directly into Edmonton?

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STUPID is as STUPID does!!!!
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Everyone:  Can someone explain why the city went ahead and 'hired R.A. Malatest & Associates Ltd to conduct the survey pertaining to the Transportation Master Plan - a cost that will take tax dollars to carry out and while the end product will not be available to Council until October 2015. Again why does CROUSE and his cronies circumvent the system and are making motions re the LRT.  Is this a democratic way of operating a system
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