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wizeman

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Just read an interesting article on the City website.
Starting the week of Oct 20 the city is to install three controlled stop signs at the corner of Erin Ridge Drive and Erin Ridge Road. Based on the current traffic load the residents see this will be a complete gong show. We estimate that the people using this road will see backups 20 deep at morning and evening rush hours in each direction. (Sound familiar! See St Albert trail redesign). And to think we have not added the additional flow from the proposed school. Where is common sense on council????????


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As the saying goes - Common sense isn't always common, otherwise we wouldn't have 1/2 the people who allegedly represent us on council!

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Just read an interesting article on the City website.
Starting the week of Oct 20 the city is to install three controlled stop signs at the corner of Erin Ridge Drive and Erin Ridge Road. Based on the current traffic load the residents see this will be a complete gong show. We estimate that the people using this road will see backups 20 deep at morning and evening rush hours in each direction. (Sound familiar! See St Albert trail redesign). And to think we have not added the additional flow from the proposed school. Where is common sense on council????????


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@wizeman:

Dumping on Erin Ridge folks again. You're kind of like Joe Btfsplk. Sorry.

Given city traffic management we've seen in 2014, I tend to think your outlook is right.
Traffic management is pretty technical.
I don't see any expertise on council on the subject ... nor do I even (in fairness) expect it.

What I do expect is the ability to consign the many city technical challenges to people who are truly competent, rather than those who only talk a good game.
Yet even expecting that may be asking too much. I'd even settle for council's making damned sure that that ability is to be found in our senior admin. team.
My favourite example: what genius was it who selected the Toronto urban planner to design DARP?

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I now go to the Walmart on 167 Avenue, it takes 50% as long to get there thanks to our stupid traffic. 

Just wait and see  how  atrocious it is when the Erin Ridge Shopping centre is fully completed.  [eek]
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I live a block from this intersection. I will be out there (weather permitting) with my camera watching the show the first day the 3-way is implemented. Please feel free to join me! Bring your coffee! Along with the 3-way stop will be extended sections of no-parking along Erin Ridge Drive. This will result in AT LEAST 20 fewer parking spaces for hospital staff/visitors. The hospital is hoping this will force these people to park in their lots (and pay their fees). Hmm...we'll see. I predict area residents will need to, once again, insist the city implement residential parking-only bylaws.
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Just an update on the traffic control issue in Erin Ridge.
Send a video to Cam and Sheena showing the impact of the three way stop signs at the intersection of Erin Ridge highway and Erin Ridge road. It was a 20 second clip showing cars lined up from Boudreau all the way to Erin Ridge Road to navigate the stop sign (4.00pm). Residents off Ellesmere cannot get out of their street .At seven in the morning the same thing happens in the other direction impacting residents in the cul de sac, they cannot get out on to Erin Ridge.
Now there is an article in the Gazette suggesting that the developer in North Erin Ridge wants to close Ebony Way. This is the only exit relief that exists in the Erin Ridge community. How's this for progress!!!!
Remember people!, the school has not even been built yet.
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This three way stop really sums up the level of competency of our council and city planners.
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One can only imagine just what problems emergency vehicles (fire and ambulance) will have with the situation as you have described................but city planners know better.
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@wizeman: my neighbour commented on the same backup you took a video of. Said that the traffic was backed up all the way from the 3-way stop to Boudreau, and then also onto Boudreau itself. A lineup of 6 cars (eastbound), waiting to turn left (North) onto Erin Ridge Drive from Boudreau; and then 16 cars backed up westbound on Boudreau, waiting to turn right onto ER Drive.

I have to ask though, why did you send the video to just Cam and Sheena? Why not to ALL the councillors, the mayor, city manager AND the lovely city planning department...specifically Dean Schick of the traffic department. Maybe try Victoria at the Gazette. Seems like everybody deserves to get an eyeful of the mess they created, not just the councillors who actually listened and agreed with the residents concerns.
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@wizeman: my neighbour commented on the same backup you took a video of. Said that the traffic was backed up all the way from the 3-way stop to Boudreau, and then also onto Boudreau itself. A lineup of 6 cars (eastbound), waiting to turn left (North) onto Erin Ridge Drive from Boudreau; and then 16 cars backed up westbound on Boudreau, waiting to turn right onto ER Drive. I have to ask though, why did you send the video to just Cam and Sheena? Why not to ALL the councillors, the mayor, city manager AND the lovely city planning department...specifically Dean Schick of the traffic department. Maybe try Victoria at the Gazette. Seems like everybody deserves to get an eyeful of the mess they created, not just the councillors who actually listened and agreed with the residents concerns.


Bingo - should be sent to all council.  
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Bingo - should be sent to all council.  


And how about to me? I could put it on mybirdie for everyone to see!
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I have sent it to all council members, but do not have emails for planning and transportation. Don has graciously volunteered  to post it here for all to see. The city has tried to make this a four lane street, parking on one side with one lane going north at the intersection and two lanes going south, one right turn lane and one to continue south.
This is going to be a gong show once its snows and the city has piled it up in both sides of the street. And we know how often this street gets ploughed.
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The story and video is no on the main page and has been tweeted as well to try and raise awareness. Hope it helps.

 

Wizeman, you can fill out a contact email form for planning here:

 

http://stalbert.ca/city-hall/contact-us-staff-directory/departments/planning-development/

 

Ditto for traffic here:

 

http://stalbert.ca/city-hall/contact-us-staff-directory/departments/engineering-services/

 

 

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The worst times for traffic tie-ups coincide with the morning rush hour - with hospital shift change at the same time - and afternoon rush hour. The morning is particularly hazardous as it's dark (for all winter anyway), and it's when the school buses go down Erin Ridge Drive picking up students. So there are pedestrians (students, plus hospital staff walking to the hospital from their parked cars on Erin Ridge Drive and Road) trying to cross at 2 very busy intersections, in the dark. It's a tragedy waiting to happen. Just wait till the Francophone school PLUS Lois Hole School (in Erin Ridge North) are built. The traffic will increase exponentially, especially in the morning. It's ridiculous to even float the idea of closing more roads.

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If I have time in the morning, about 7:45-8:15, I'll try and take a video from the intersection of Ellesmere and Erin Ridge Drive. That's where the lineup of cars trying to get in and out of the hospital staff parking lot interferes with students crossing the road and residents trying to get out of Ellesmere. Extremely poor planning by the city and hospital to have that main staff entrance offset from Ellesmere. It will be similar to what's planned with the Francophone school driveway versus the 3-way stop.
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Just thought a little update might generate some discussion on how out our little three way stop has performed this winter at Erin Rdige road and Erin Ridge drive.
Two accidents to date. Snow removal on the sidewalks has been non existent. The actual road intersections are consistently covered in ice result in cars skidding thru without stopping. The trucks that the city hires to remove snow from other st albert areas use Eldorado and Erin Ridge Drive/Road (the actual school site)to get to the city dump site on Villeneuve. These tractor trailers are 45 feet long and carry tons of packed snow!!!
The recent report from council re the Safe to School policy released its recommendations to improve student safety. In the recommendations Coun Osborne believes we need to add  "more active forms of transportation, encouraging increased use of school buses, managing vehicle speeds, addressing winter safety, enhancing crosswalk safety, ensuring well-sited and planned school sites."
Sorry folks but what this council needs is a rationale thought once in a while.The people who sit in Ivory towers rarely get it right, those who live it, see it, know what is coming to our neighbourhood CHAOS!!!
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What is being done in Erin Ridge is disturbing!
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I walk by that intersection several evenings a week with my dog and have observed cars ignoring the stop signs. No different than any other 3 or 4-way stop. How that's going to work during school drop-off and pick-up times will be very interesting. I predict much chaos.

While we're talking about the Erin Ridge traffic and school sites...also very concerning to me (and hopefully to the powers-that-be in council/admin/traffic/safe journeys to school) is the OTHER new school being built in Erin Ridge North. Right by all the new developments (one of which Gilles Prefontaine was posed in front of in the Gazette) and Costco. The construction fencing is up and the work trailers are on-site. Have a look sometime at how small that site is for an elementary school for up to 850 students. It will be the only school in St. Albert with no adjoining park - great planning by the city (slow clap). Now imagine the traffic every morning and afternoon as buses and parents jockey for position to pick up their kids along with the construction vehicles for all the commercial/residential construction in the area, and the shoppers heading to and from Costco and the other businesses going in. This on a small 2-lane road with houses fronting the street. The School Site Allocation Committee should all be forced to stand there and watch every day for a week once school is in.
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We all know that Osborne was just making political points with his "Safe Journey to School" study. Nothing will change. Typical political rhetoric. "How many votes did I get?"
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Good afternoon Everyone
Im currently in Victoria BC for a short vacation and have had the opportunity to drive a certain section of road that connects the Saanich area of victoria with the downtown core using the Johnston street bridge. Talking to locals this section of road was used previously as a short cut to downtown rather than using the regional roads around the northern part of the city to their destinations.
Sound familiar!!!!!
The residents finally had had enough and went to council with recommendations to eliminate this issue primarily because two school areas were being affected by the 50kph speed limit.(Sound familiar)
Residents made a number of recommendation to council and one in particular has had the desired affect to eliminate shortcutting, reduce traffic loads and improve safety.
They lowered the speed limit to 30kph for a 3 kilometre stretch. almost overnight they saw a 60% reduction in traffic load
We can only hope that this is an option for the residents of erin ridge to help reduce traffic loads and eliminate the three way stop.
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@wizeman: I agree with the theory that lowering the speed limit will deter short-cutters...which is why the stretch of Erin Ridge Drive along the hospital now is 40 k/h . Combine that with the (upcoming) 30 k/h school zone further down the Drive and along Eldorado and you would think that would deter some people already. HOWEVER, like all theories, it's what happens in practice that's important. So if there is no enforcement of the speed, what good is it?? I have yet to see speed traps or even a speed camera along those routes. I have seen the odd blitz where the police are getting people for rolling thru the 3-way...maybe for distracted driving while they're at it, but I haven't seen actual speed traps. I think lots of people don't even pay attention to the speed limits. They'll drive wherever they want, and however fast they want to. Maybe once that area becomes known as one of those "cash cows" for tickets, we'll see a reduction in the volume.
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@cheesekate, What I propose is a 30km/h limit the entire length of Erin Ridge drive. If most residents adhere to the limit, shortcutters would eventually tire of the slow traffic and try to find another route. This would bring back the calm atmosphere that we all remember when we first moved here. If police want to fill their coffers so be it. The school speed of 30 is only in effect when school is in session.  
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30 k/h the whole length would certainly slow things right down. You should bring that idea to the Erin Ridge traffic committee. It makes as much or more sense than some of the city's proposals for "traffic calming" in the area.
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