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EnoughAllready

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It's crazy what people will say when they feel threatened.

This economy is brutal and unless you are suffering, nobody can possibly imagine how bad it really is.

Green peace really is a world class joke.

With that all being said, that facebook comment is definitely not ok. Not in the least.
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LowerTaxes recent comment seems to be a bit over the top. People who are regular contributors to this discussion group support different political parties and have differing perspectives on the various issues. For the most part the discussion is engaging and if someone gets a little over the top it is a result of enthusiasm rather than vindictiveness.

Dennis Arneson, who has been a long time supporter of SAP, frequently takes exception to my posts and expresses his particular perception on the topic. Is that any reason for me to "take offence" simply because he has taken umbrage with my sentiments???

Surely the answer is a resounding NO for a variety of reasons.

First, this country has spent too much blood and treasure defending the right to freedom of expression to allow it to be frittered away in fear that someone's feelings might be hurt by a contrary post.

Secondly, posts are just one person's opinion and are not stone tablets brought down from the Mount.  Therefore a critique thereof can be very useful and enlightening for the Third Party who is reading the posts.

Thirdly, when someone takes the time to read your post, think about it, and then take the time and effort to respond, the original poster should be gratified rather than being incensed that someone else in the world actually has taken the effort to respond.

In my view, when someone like Dennis Arneson takes issue with my post I don't take it as a personal affront .... rather I recognize that he is committing his time and intellect to voluntarily add vitality to SAP.

Possibly a little more charity towards others is in order rather than stomping off in a snit because you don't agree with the posters on a blog.

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Crouse to run for Liberal leadership hint:

https://nolancrouse.wordpress.com/2017/01/17/announcement-nolan-e-crouse-alberta-liberal-party-leadership/

One has to wonder why any party would want a candidate with that much dirty laundry hanging on him.
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One has to wonder how a man can continue into the world of provincial politics with all this baggage?

Is this man made of Teflon?

Can anyone ever fathom this province running liberal red. I'm sure he knows that. He's not in it to actually lead the Liberals to power obviously so it must just be a selfish need to be in the limelight and the pay cheque.
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With all the scandals the current Federal LPC is involved in, it seems like Nolan has found a perfect home in the Liberals.

Just look at the massive debt they have incurred in only one year!! He must be jealous. 

God help anyone who supports the Liberal Party. You need it.
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HH:  When I read that article by CROUSE, I thought this was January 17th - not April 1st.  With all the baggage he carries he must be adrift somewhere in space to think that idea up.
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Nolan Crouse will be on the Jesperson talk show on 630 ched radio. Either at 9 or 10 this morning ( I missed which time, I'm at work) I would love to hear someone ask him about all his scandals. Triple dipping, inspection/investigation of council by the govt, application before the courts for numerous mga violations

Edit- Crouse will be on @10:30 someone please call in!!
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The Liberals will never win.in Alberta. Crouse,being an opportunist took the road of least resistance. All he wants is to gain a salary....you know the almighty dollar....money, money, money! He is NOT a Liberal. Heard he may be running in Edmonton Center. Laurie Blakeman...please run for leader.
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HH:  The question asrisdes and that is if CROUSE was to get the leadership of the party..........does that call for a new 'shoe box' for the leaders expense receipts? Surely the one he had while in office in st. Albert should be cast in bronze and displayed in a glass display case in city hall, after all it does have a history.
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Ahhh. the nerve.
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The audacity of a man with all that baggage.......double billing, 3 lawsuits which include communication with a man's employer, pecuniary interest, and a lawsuit against an innocent taxpayer ......to put his name up for the leadership of the Liberal Party. You would think that a party would want someone who is squeaky clean and a role model. If Crouse wants to be cleared from all of his controversies, he should start by an audit of his expense account.
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How many times does Crouse need to remind the reader that if he becomes Liberal leader, it a volunteer position? He's doing it out of the kindness of his heart for all Albertans.

How have we ever survived without proper Liberal leadership?

This man has been promised something or this makes absolutely no sense.

I'll never forget what he called one of the other councillors in front of hundreds of people.

"Go nowhere, do nothing" councillor.

Classiest guy in the room, always.

I thought he was a conservative? I mean, I thought he was a socialist? I mean, I thought he was an opportunist?

The path of least resistance. Of course.

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So, is this the out Crouse was waiting for? Now that this has become an ethical dilemma for him, will he resign as mayor to avoid his upcoming dismissal over his pecuniary interest case.

Is this the perfect excuse?

He can now step down citing his intentions at Liberal leadership as the reason he stepped down on his own terms.

Either way, this pecuniary case must be followed through regardless.

On another note.

$400,000.00 for the Healing Garden?

Is there going to be a turnstile, it's going to be that busy?

Isn't the idea to have a place to reflect and heal? How elaborate and expensive does it need to be?

The whole thing is very confusing but it's only money.
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HH:  Interesting article in today's issue of the Edmonton journal. It appears under the heading "Councillor sues province after being fired over duplicate expense claims". Apparently he was fired over duplicate travel and mileage expenses while a councilor in Fort Saskatchewan and as senior manager with Alberta Education ......................I'm trying to think who this reminds me of.
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I was just looking for Steve Stones "Moral Principles" post  on Thursday morning as I wanted to comment on it, but it appears to have been deleted or moved. Steve's profile shows a post at the time of the post but the actual post is not in his list of posts.

Does anyone know where it got moved to, or did Steve or Don remove the post?



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I removed the post due to complaints by other members who deemed it inappropriate. - HH
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I removed the post due to complaints by other members who deemed it inappropriate. - HH


thanks for the update Don.

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"$400,000 for the healing garden" as per enough already. The article states $400,000 for St. Albert and area. $200,000 of the $400,000 is for Rivierre Qui Barre arena. S137,000 is for the Healing Garden. 
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"$400,000 for the healing garden" as per enough already. The article states $400,000 for St. Albert and area. $200,000 of the $400,000 is for Rivierre Qui Barre arena. S137,000 is for the Healing Garden. 


Ann is quite correct that only $137,000 is slated for the healing garden. The original budget for the garden that council approved was $119,100.

Council rejected a motion by councillor Osborne to add an additional $184,000 to the cost last last year, more than doubling the expense. Council asked administration to construct the garden within the original budget.

What do you want to bet council now adds the $137,000 to the existing $119,100 and goes ahead with more senseless spending?

Instead the garden should now be built with the $137,000 grant money and not a dime of taxpayers money.

That is the reasonable and sensible thing to do. Will council be reasonable and sensible under the microscope and watchful eye of the municipal inspection?

That remains to be seen, but if they are not, it will speak volumes to both taxpayers and the inspection team about wasteful spending by this council.
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Thanks to 'Ann' for providing the correct dollar figure regarding the Healing Garden and the federal grant and to 'Head Honcho' for elaborating on the matter. Indeed, time will tell what council does with this new found windfall?
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I was not at all surprised by the observations of Jim Lightbody on the matter of Nolan Crouse wanting to, as they say; "have the whole enchilada" (my words) when it comes to his political aspirations. As quoted in today's (01/21/17) Gazette, Lightbody states that  there is no hard rule of law preventing Crouse from doing this. Based on past performance, ultimately resulting in a defamation lawsuit, a legal challenge before the courts and a Municipal Affairs inspection, I suspect that even if there were, it may not make much of a difference. The fact that the issue is an ethical one alone, is unlikely to deter the mayor from carrying out his plan.
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So Jim Lightbody reports that Crouse is in a conflict of interest in being mayor and running for Liberal leader. Crouse should do the ethical thing and remove himself as mayor. Right now he has 3 jobs.....mayor, CRB chair, and campaigning for Liberal leader. Nobody can do justice to any of his jobs. Anyone who has a drop of ethics would resign. But we know that Crouse would never do that because the almighty dollar is the most important thing in his world.

As far as the Gazette saying that Crouse is tireless, it is not surprising. The Gazette is his biggest cheerleader. Brings to mind a comparison. ........the Gazette and CNN have lots in common. Bias!!
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The suggestion by Dr. Lightbody that Crouse will not be able to handle a full time job as Mayor, chair the CRB, and run all over the province to campaign for Liberal Leadership is obviously incorrect ...... After all, Wes Brodhead and Cathy Heron said it was neither an ethical or a logistics problem and they should know because they got elected on Nolan's shirt tail.
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My apologies on the figures for the Healing Garden. There comes a time when we all make mistakes........ my time has arrived.
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And about the Healing Garden. Even if this city only uses $137,000.00, cam you imagine how amazing this place will be.
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