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Murray Lambert

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This whole affair exemplifies the phenomenon of evil men doing evil things for evil reasons. We can take solace however in the fact that in their blind obsession with self preservation and greed they lose all judgement and do stupid things which will  come back to bite them in the ass!
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The fact that there are so many issues surrounding Mayor Crouse and Councillors Heron, Osborne and Broadhead and their constant miscues, says it is time to flush the debris from the scene, keep what is working hard on point, and separate the cream from the milk in the next municipal election. I know where my votes are going. I like the cream.
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Kellex had posted a comment on this website in which he alluded to the fact that the current owner of 80 Salisbury had been offered a Phase 2 environmental survey but he declined the offer. Dana Pop posed a question as to how such confidential in camera information could have become known to the public thereby creating the innuendo that it had been leaked from an in camera meeting by some councillor.

Apparently Heron chimed in and Arneson posted: " Interesting Dana. I saw your question posed earlier today and a response from Councillor Heron. It's been several hours and the silence is deafening. Appears there could possibly be a leak of some Council in camera decision(s)?

Arneson later said "I think Cam knows the answer to his question."

This crowd should have read the Affidavit of Skarupa as posted by Sinclair on this website a few days ago.  "In paragraph 14 of this Affidavit, Skarupa states: "That on October 3, 2016, I had a teleophone conversation with the Interim City Manager, Chris Jardine, in which he informed me that the subject matter and essence of that in camera motion was that the City of St. Albert offered to have a Phase 2 Environment Assessment completed for 80 Salisbury Avenue, St. Albert, Alberta, but the owner of 80 Salisbury Avenue refused that offer and I verily believe that information to be true."

Paragraph 14 makes it perfectly clear as to how the information was obtained by Skarupa and from whom.  You would assume that Chris Jardine, after all his years in government, would not be giving out information unless he was so authorized. 

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Well, once a bully, always a bully.

As for what's happening with the issue on Facebook and Twitter, there it will remain. St. Albert's Place has no interest, nor intention of bailing anyone out for their antics on either social media.
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Ah...theskeptic....the master of insults and twisting of words. Talk about getting into a lather.
Normally I don't post on here. If you feel my SM sites should be shut down I invite you to report same and I'll deal with the outcome. If you were so incensed you certainly had the opportunity to chime in on FB. You're certainly not restricted by number of words or characters and you actually get diverse discussion. I know you have a FB account and having been looking at my posts (fairly easily to determine).

As far as raising innuendo please tell me which Coucillor it was in reference to.I believe all Coucillors were included in Dana's original post. Heron and Mackay responded. My response to Cam was in reference to his comment on whether I had made a comment or posed a question. You seem to be in an almost protectionist mode but maybe that's an over read by me.

I'm also certain you are aware apologies have been publicly issued by some. Something one also sometimes sees on SM.


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Dennis: None of which explains why none of you read the Affidavit and if you did why you chose to ignore the paragraph dealing with your concerns.
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You also fail to explain why, if you had the info available, you chose not to enlightened everyone. You also fail to mention, I had posted I felt there was a total over reaction to the entire issue. A simple yes or no would have been helpful.
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I tire of people who read, (or more correctly don't read properly), the information published here, most recently that published on November 14, nearly a full week ago. 

Know-it-alls, whose modus operandi is to run to Facebook and Twitter and try to belittle, embarrass, discredit and all other forms of outright bullying of St. Albert's Place.

We've rid ourselves of those who would conduct such behaviour in the past and will continue to do so in the future should it occur again. They have no status and are non existent on this site, now or forever in spite of any so-called purity.
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Head Honch: Are you suggesting I bullied SAP?
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No, not at all. No reflection on you whatsoever.
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Dennis Arneson

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Thank you for that.
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Thank you for that.


You are welcome Dennis. Your views are always thoughtful, respectful and fair.
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You also fail to explain why, if you had the info available, you chose not to enlightened everyone. You also fail to mention, I had posted I felt there was a total over reaction to the entire issue. A simple yes or no would have been helpful.


Given the documents were published by Don on this website, and available at the click of a mouse your suggestion that I should be enlightening you remains a complete enigma.  Are you suggesting, due diligence is a problem for your crowd in which case, if it is,  you should not have been posting all that nonsense in the first instance.  
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I really don't know what your problem is. If you take the time to re-read the threads, you'll see I actually attempted to be the voice of reason, to the point of suggesting a simple yes or no to whether or not the matter had been dealt with in camera would have be helpful. I also suggested there was an over reaction. I suspect whatever answer I provide will be unsatisfactory to you. I have no compelling need to be argumentative at every turn. In fact , if I had information readily available to diffuse a controversy, I would suggest the honorable thing to do may be to share that information.

In any event I stand by my comments and will continue to occasionally post here and on my other SM accounts. I'm easy to find, my comments are public and I don't hide behind some anonymous name.
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I openly admit, without apologizing, that I am a 'dinosaur' when it comes to social media. I utilize the likes of e-mailing, text messaging and yes even telephoning  whereby I am able to exchange information with specific individuals and groups without having to satisfy a compulsion to let anyone and everyone in the virtual orb  know what I am thinking or up to. I do not mean to judge those of you who are immersed in body, mind and soul in social media but one thing I do have is a hard time understanding those who cannot resist the compulsion to tweet or whatever, the fact they are having a bodily movement before they have even flushed.  
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Fair enough Murray but be assured I am not even remotely in that category. I do not turn my phone on at work and during the week don't get on SM until well after the dinner hour. Oh....and at my age I roll in early.
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I am very glad for your sake Dennis that you do not fall into the category I described. My comments were not intend for any particular person or persons but rather toward the sizeable segment of the general population whom I believe may very well have a SM addiction on their hands.
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Murray:
The creators of the social media seem to have correctly identified the foibles of this post- modern society and hence its became overwhelmingly popular with a vast percentage of the population. Anyone who grew up in the days of the traditional media would have scoffed at anyone who was proposing a mechanism for communication in which you were limited to 140 characters. However, the Twitter people seem to have correctly identified the fact that the superficiality reigns supreme over substance and a fluffy conversational style fits the needs of those plunking out text on their cell phones.

The result is that Twitter and Facebook have become little more than vast electronic gossip columns. Analytical discussion is the fatality as opinions founded upon fact and supported by inductive and deductive reasoning are the rarity. Anyone who partakes in traditional editorializing is branded as a pompous wordsmith by those whose vocabularies barely exceed the literacy level and whose understanding of the word "grammar" is that its a slang description for their mother's mother .

Of course the philosophy of excessive subjectivism that prevails in our society has not only produced a culture in which selfie pictures are the norm and as you said broadcasting your latest bowel movement is considered acceptable, it actually has stifled rigorous debate. In a culture where everything is considered a matter of personal perception, all analytical deliberation becomes classified as an unjustifiable preferences which cannot be adjudicated. ( well.... you have your opinion and I have mine ... so we will have to agree to disagree)

The end result is that the pursuit of Truth is replaced by a pursuit of Consensus. Hence everyone chirps in with their unjustified opinion and the participant discovers where the social consensus lies. That consensus becomes considered the "accepted truth" and anyone who has the audacity to challenge this "accepted truth" is immediately branded as a dinosaur or a curmudgeon.

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Don't think anyone  under 20 uses Facebook.  That's a dead platform going forward.
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So Mr. Stones application was heard in court today. I don't suppose there is any news around this? Is Nolan Crouse gainfully unemployed?
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So Mr. Stones application was heard in court today. I don't suppose there is any news around this? Is Nolan Crouse gainfully unemployed?


My usually reliable sources tell me it was set over for one week from today.
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I am very glad for your sake Dennis that you do not fall into the category I described. My comments were not intend for any particular person or persons but rather toward the sizeable segment of the general population whom I believe may very well have a SM addiction on their hands.


I cannot help but agree with Murray's assessment of people who suffer from social media addiction. There are classic examples of people on Facebook and Twitter obsessed with making sure their opinions are heard on every conceivable subject. They spend inordinate amounts of time searching those two sites for their next victim to attack with their politically correct mantra.

Sadly of late, some attack people from a base of ignorance by not researching all the facts before launching the attack. Because they are in such a rush to prove themselves right and rant their way around FB and Twitter, they do not even realize what bullies they have become or the misinformation they spread to a much wider audience than this small domain.

This site has been harassed and bullied before. To finally end the behaviour, I went to the police and laid a complaint to make authorities aware of the harassment to make sure the person was noted in a police file. I also contacted their employer and complained to them about the behaviour of the employee and the adverse effect it was having on the employer's reputation. I was able to document (for the employer and at their request) the exact times of the day their employee was posting on social media, specifically during normal company working hours. That exposure to their bosses ended all communication very quickly.

I have been documenting every single communication directed at me or this site of late. These include personal emails, Twitter notifications and Facebook direct messages. I have screen shots of everything. My file grows daily.

If I sense such behaviour is beginning anew, I will employ the same tactics again to quell it, and more.

 
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Murray Lambert

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Kudos to Head Honcho for standing up to these louts who despite their oversized egos and self-inflated intelligence quotas are nothing more than insidious 'cyber bullies'. I and an army of followers (real not virtual) have your back!
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If there is one thing which is unforgivable about these attacks on Sinclair it is this:  the SAP is a public service provided by Don Sinclair.  It takes considerable time  out of each day for him to provide this website and it is not as if he were making hundreds of thousands by so doing.  Further it is a site which gives enjoyment to many and an opportunity to discuss issues on a venue where people of various opinions can be heard.  It takes a particularly execrable if not pathetic individual to attack people who are performing good works which add to the community. 

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Haven't seen any bullying on this site. Do many comments get deleted that we don't get to see??

But,  I have seen the moderators kick people out for what they perceive as bullying.  Thus bullying the so called bully.

That's my view.  If you don't like it, I guess I am a bully and harasser.

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