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PrairieFire

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Team Angry appears to be captained by Kevin these days calling people racists and Liars without any justification thereof. Quite disappointing as at one point I used to appreciate his commentary and point of view on various issues on this blog. What Happened?


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I share PrairieFire's observations and agree that it is most unfortunate but inevitable if, by becoming so personally invested in the issue(s), one suffers an almost complete loss of objectivity. We all run this risk and must be vigilant enough to recognize when it occurs. Nothing is so important as to afford this.
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I share PrairieFire's observations and agree that it is most unfortunate but inevitable if, by becoming so personally invested in the issue(s), one suffers an almost complete loss of objectivity. We all run this risk and must be vigilant enough to recognize when it occurs. Nothing is so important as to afford this.


Personal attacks against me by members of this forum is what pushed me over the edge. A discussion can get a little heated at times but when the majority of assholes hide behind aliases, any respect that may have been there is lost.

Racism is flagrant all over this forum, a simple read of anything to do with Syrian refugees sure reveals a lot of character.

Yes, I can look intolerant to the ideas on this forum at times, but it isn't intolerance to the ideas, it is intolerance towards the bigotry, racism and bullying. Prairie Fires unwarranted attack on Gwen Crouse and bigoted uncalled for reference to the Healing Garden was the straw that broke the camels back.

A follow up post by Don called me and Dana bigoted, I laughed it off. A follow up post by someone indicated that bigotry and racism are tied together, which I agree as that is the type of bigotry I am intolerant of. Whether Prairie Fire likes it or not, that is the implication of his/her comments. Anyone with the slightest bit of intelligence in this group knows the Healing Garden is to remember the injustices to the native population with regards to the residential schools.. Therefore whether you like it or not when you disrespect the concept of the Healing Garden, you are making a racist remark.

As to the cost of the garden and who should pay for it, fill your boots and join me in fighting against the City putting another nickel towards it.

Humour is not an excuse for bullying, when Mayor Crouse used a bad attempt at humour for his excuse (with no apology) for statements made about two councillors at this terms the members of this forum took him to task. However, when the owner of this forum makes uncalled for misogynistic comments about Cathy Herron, jus deleting the comments and saying it was a bad attempt at humour now seems to be good enough. Then when one of the forum members takes him to task on another forum, Don cries foul and bans Dana.

It is not uncommon for TheSkeptic to comment on things he reads on Twitter or Facebook in these forums, but conveniently never give the original source. Too bad he got got yesterday and pulled one statement out of a discussion that was ongoing and made an accusation that was a flat out lie. Did he appologize? Nope, another double standard. Did he admit to his lie? Nope another double standard. If any of you agree with me and think Patrick Draper was a pompous ass, well maybe you should look at what TheSkeptic says and how he says it. Hmmm, another double standard.

I joined this forum to try and understand other people's concerns on issues, but what do you find here? Continual name calling/bullying. Whether you like it or not the citizens of St Albert elected 7 people, they unlike most of the forum members here are actually doing something, you might not agree but I don't see you putting your names forward to serve. Names such as "Barbie", "El Kabong", "The Four Horseman" among others do nothing. The poster may think it is humorous, but it is just pure schoolyard bullying.

I guess you all broke my back with the final straws, I am now the Social Justice Warrior that TheSkeptic is so afraid of.

We all make mistakes, myself included. We all get mad and upset, myself included. Prairie Fire, if I have gone to far and have resulted in you being called bigoted and/or racist I appologize. I still stand by the belief your comments were, but that does not mean you are. Again, I appologize.

My embarrassment as I write this is overwhelming, you broke me down and I am now a member of Team Angry. Time for a reset, hanging around all this hatred and bullying, laced with the bits of bigotry, racism and misogyny is more than I can obviously take.

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Whether you agree with him or not one must appreciate Kevin's candidness in his most recent post. Unfortunately, what he describes has a certain degree of accuracy which cannot be ignored. My comments about the dangers of losing objectivity were intended not just for one individual but for all of us involved. Hopefully all is not lost for this forum or its contributors but each and every one of us must make a concerted effort to get back on track.
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Kevin, that is why I quit Twitter. And...it was not because of any posters on this website.
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Syrian refugees aren't and never will be part of western society.  Maybe learn a bit about islam you left wing fool.  Adios.
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Please excuse me for not including a specific reference to xenophobia in my previous posts.
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Syrian refugees aren't and never will be part of western society.  Maybe learn a bit about islam you left wing fool.  Adios.


As-salamu alaykum.

Thank you for so eloquently demonstrating a couple of my points.

The poster could have just stopped at his comment about western society, but he/she had to continue on and attempt an insult (I am not left wing nor a fool).

Aiwa, we now step back into bigoted comments that either border on or are fully racist.

Ma Salama

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Having read Kevin's most recent diatribe it appears rather audacious, insolent, and brazen for him to be sitting on his judgement seat in pious condemnation of others

Apparently it is perfectly acceptable for him to call people on this forum bigots, racists, bullies, liars, misogynists, pompous, and assholes ..... but when Prairie Fire says says "Perhaps we can all go to Gwen crouses healing garden to forget about this?" that rather innocuous phrase is blown all out of proportion and gives him an excuse to call someone he doesn't even know a racist and a bigot.

His outbursts are just a classic example of the social justice warrior attempting to impose his set of personal subjective preferences on everyone else by using "political correctness" to shut down free speech.

If he is having a bad day maybe he should change his wet panties and loosen his bra rather than blame the rest of the world for his own inadequacies

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Please excuse me for not including a specific reference to xenophobia in my previous posts.


Murray you are quite correct in using the term xenophobia. It is a definite qualifier on the form of racism and is often used interchangeably with racism. I however prefer to use the harsher word 'racism' and let the reader decide the level to which it applies.

I am learning that I am becoming less and less tolerant to the types of people who are proud to wear red baseball caps that say "Make America Great Again".

It was easy for Since2000 to make his/her xenophobic comment as he/she is wearing a mask and we (maybe I am the only one) don't know who he/she is. A fine example of cowardice and bullying.

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Kevin..... Wow!!!
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Kevin, are you a social justice warrior? I honestly didn't think anyone over 28 years old was one.
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Kevin, are you a social justice warrior? I honestly didn't think anyone over 28 years old was one.


Do I defend against bullying, bigotry, racism (xenophobia), misogyny and other social issues? Yes.

Do I believe in political correctness as defined by the above? Yes

If this is what makes a Social Justice Warrior? I guess Skeptic is correct in labelling me as one.

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Kevin..... Wow!!!


Not sure what this means?

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It means "Wow" after reading the red baseball cap comment!

That was a low brow shot at the Deplorables!
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Enoughallready .... Like most SJW's,Kevin's characterization of ' bullying, bigotry, racism (xenophobia), misogyny" is simply his labeling for anything which doesn't fit within his personal subjective set of preferences.

Hence any suggestion that he practices tolerance is simply mere verbiage as evidenced by his endless tiresome name calling from his "holier than thou" pulpit. 

Voltaire's famous captioning of tolerance by saying " I Disapprove of What You Say, But I Will Defend to the Death Your Right to Say It" is the antithesis of his world view. Hence we are inflicted with his incessant pontifications as he attempts to limit freedom of thought and expression.

Of course, all his "sound and fury" provides a smokescreen for the fact his comments are very similar to those of Since 2000 except they are gilded in the lingo of political correctness

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@skeptic: "change his wet panties and loosen his bra"???? What kind of misogynistic crack is that? Talk about lowering the debate...this time it's you. I have no respect for that kind of comment.
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If you aren't afraid of Islam and it's spread through western culture - you are incredibly uneducated. What is happening in Sweden, Paris, and London is coming here.  If you think that is xenophobic you are an enemy to freedom.
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Message to Since2000: Read what follows carefully, for it's the only reply I shall make to you on this matter. Whoever you are, I assure you that I am fully aware of the worldwide spectre and threat of Islamic extremism and terrorism and I support the eradication of the same. However, I refuse to buy into your prejudicial narrow mindset whereby you condemn an entire race of people, including innocent children, who are being slaughtered by the likes of Assad and Putin in their homelands of Syria and elsewhere. It's thinking like this that enabled the Nazi's in their pursuit of 'The Final Solution' with the Jewish race and I imagine you would sign up for a twenty first century version of the Crusades if you could. In the end, you and those like you are just as scary as the real nemeses that we all face.
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K Van Hoof:
Personally I'm sick and tired of Kevin's gross generalizations and personal attacks since most of the people who post here are thoughtful people with their own individual ideas and are not part of an "echo chamber. When someone starts labeling everyone as bigots, racists, bullies, liars, misogynists, pompous, assholes and cowards ..... then from my perspective its time they got some of their own medicine. Hence the comment.

It seems to me that all this labeling and name calling by these people puts a chill on freedom of expression and makes people reticent to express their views on this forum lest they become the subject of ridicule.

Certainly you and I have many differences of opinion on issues and this forum is supposed to be a place where you can voice you opinion without name calling and derision. Unfortunately, some people don't seem to recognize that a diversity of opinion is essential to any intelligent discussion and they are spoiling this forum.

That is why I wrote in one of my posts to Kevin that "Of course, all his 'sound and fury' provides a smokescreen for the fact his comments are very similar to those of Since 2000 except they are gilded in the lingo of political correctness"

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Chickens come to roost in St. Albert. I am guessing that Heron will be the first to have a backyard brood. I am somewhat surprised that Heron and Osborne voted against having neighbors within 60m OK the pilot project. Why would you vote against that? You would think that Heron and Osborne would not want discord within St Albert neighbourhoods.

I see the Chicken Coop article which by the way was more than half a page coverage on page 3 of the Gazette. Crouse's pecuniary interest article was on page 12. Well we have known for some time whose pocket the Gazette is in. Biased journalism?
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The Gazette is pathetic!!!! Can't be denied. Osbourne and Heron were only voting against the 60 m. They thought 30 m was enough.

With a 60 m (which is roughly 190 ft), it'll be tough to find everyone in agreement. 190 ft!!!! There will likely be 12-16 houses that will need to approve this per chicken owner!!! Good luck!!!!
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If you had watched the council meeting re the chicken chit debate, you would know that Heron stated she had no intention of raising hens. Just sayin' to keep folks from spreading untruths. [wink]


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If you had watched the council meeting re the chicken chit debate, you would know that Heron stated she had no intention of raising hens. Just sayin' to keep folks from spreading untruths. [wink]




I would assume that's because herons only raise little herons
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Where did this backyard chicken thing come from? Who dreamed up this idea in the first place? It will cost taxpayers $15 000 dollars for the pilot project. I will be very surprised if there are are many takers on this one. Raising chickens is a lot of work and they need to be in a heated enclosure for winter. There are other projects where the money could be used. Add up all the money being spent on hair brained ideas and it accumulates quickly.
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