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Kevin

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A comment from David Climenhaga

http://albertapolitics.ca/2016/12/calculating-st-albert-city-councillors-meeting-attendance-best-worst/

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Reading what CLIMENHAGA wrote in today's 'Alberta Politics' must be Chapter 1 as he has certainly made some ommisions, namely no mention that Cam McKay also has from what I understand is a fulltime job which would be a priority, would it not? Secondly when it comes to Crouse and his attedance - if one was to look back at his expense accounts, it was noted that he was claiming expenses for attending meetings that were never held. Further more how many of those meetings were with the CRB. Its often stated that two sides make up a story, perhaps Climenhaga should persue that trail.........................
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Interesting read. Numbers without explanation are misleading. For example Councillor Russell had hip surgery, that would explain his attendance somewhat. Another example is Councillor Mackay who is the only councillor that has a second job and it is a full time job - sometimes taking him out of town. Since council is a PT job, extra income would be necessary.
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Providing Mr. Climenhaga's statistics are both valid and reliable for which I suppose I have no reason not to give him the benefit of the doubt, like all statistics they can be interpreted in many possible ways as determined by the biases of the observer(s). Simply put, statistics can say whatever one wants them to. In this case Mr. Climenhaga purports to be doing nothing more than providing raw data that is free from personal comment. If innuendo is synonymous with open commentary, I believe he has said much without admission. However, I do give him a certain degree of credit for attempting to provide what may be somewhat credible explanations for the numbers and/or the comparisons between them.

I will offer neither commendations nor condemnations based solely on these numbers. Suffice it to say that attendance alone has absolutely no correlation with either the quantity or quality of meaningful contributions made by the attendees. 


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Rick F

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Lies
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Mark Cassidy

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David Climenhaga if this is what you prioritize this just seems so elementary school to me.What did these councillors promise prior to being elected and what have they delivered.St.Albert deserves results,not necessarily time and money spent on councillors without benefits achieved.

Could you please provide us a prior election goals promised chart with results achieved.
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Climenhagen seems to be desperately scraping the bottom of the barrel if he is using attendance records as his justification for supporting Crouse and Heron. It would seem rather rudimentary that mere attendance at a meeting is irrelevant if that elected official has little or nothing wise or useful to contribute when they are sitting there looking important.

So lets take an example of one of the latest contributions of our Mayor to the budget discussions. The topic on the floor was the decision as to which capital project should get priority ... the library, a rink, or a swimming pool. Crouse's contribution to the decision making process was to say that he was in favour of "all or nothing."

So here we have a Mayor who just previously had promoted and favoured spending about $15,000.00 to do a survey to see which project the general public thought should be priotized now saying "all or nothing" leaving the question open as to why he wanted the survey in the first place.

So here we have a Mayor who should be well aware that the Engineering Department could not possibly handle all three huge capital projects simultaneously saying that one option is to do all the projects simultaneously.

So here we have a Mayor whose "all or nothing" comment was considered so out of place that the rest of the Council voted 6 - 1 against his budget ideas.

So even though his "contribution" to the budget debate on this issue was mindbogglingly inane .. he attended the meeting so in Climenhagan's world he should be commended ???? Surely you are scraping the bottom of the barrel if you accept that as you basis for evaluating your elected officials contribution to the public good.

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Never read Climenhaga!!!

As for councillors being effective...I remember that there were a couple of councillors last term who would fall asleep.

There are a couple of councillors on council NOW who will not tackle/propose the controversial motions. Motions which will in fact will benefit the taxpayer. They will vote on motions in order to make themselves look good. They are voting on what will get them elected. They could care less about taxpayers. They propose fluffy motions. Are these councillors effective Nooooooooo! As far as I am concerned, they can stay at home.

There are councillors who have done very little except to vote 4-3.

I want to see QUALITY over QUANTITY.

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Thank you Kevin. What was your true motivation in posting this?
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When you read where CROUSE uttered those words "ALL OR NOTHING" - this just shows how much respect this IDIOT has for the taxpayer...............no wonder St. Albert's taxes are the highest in the province. CROUSE can care less, he's earning over 100 thousand dollars per year - compare that what the seniors who are trying to survive on a company pension (if they are so lucky) what savings they have managed to hold onto as well as a government pension plan. Look back over the years and see juast what STUPID IDEAS were paid for with tax payers dollars - The painting on the road  in front of city hall, painting the curbs on St. Anne and the St. Albert Trail, the one block road to nowhere, the stupid road circle in  front of the court house, his use of profanity at a public gathering, to which he later denied - his double & triple dipping, his voting on items where he was or has an interest in. and the lists just keeps on growing. Actually he has made a mockery of the position of mayor  -  the sooner October 2017 comes the sooner we can get him out of city hall.
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Thank you Kevin. What was your true motivation in posting this?


Thank you for what? What are you trying to insinuate?

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Interesting that my name popped up re attendance. I did have hip surgery in mid October and missed one council meeting but attended one via phone and watched another ready to participate if necessary. As to jobs, in real life I am a Paralegal and a legal assistant. Currently working with three lawyers, two on estate cases involving rural property ( I had a commercial real estate license for many years and handled rural real estate) Another well know Insurance lawyer on a rural insurance claim in Sturgeon County and two WCB cases. Last year I assisted another lawyer on appeal at Court of Queen;s Bench and also in mid 2015 just before the election I was given approval by a CQB judge to act in a family matter at CQB to replace a legal aid lawyer who could not attend. It was mid June and if the case could not proceed it the matter could not be dealt with for weeks.  A St.Albert retired school teacher along with three other citizens asked me to represent a women in a family matter. Also won a majors case of an exploited foreign worker which was appealed and I had well known St. Albert litigation lawyer Rosyk Sadownik handle the appeal and the Alberta Superior court upheld the trial judge decision.I attended the swearing in of the latest CQB Kevin Feehan yesterday at CQB and several lawyers  commended me re the exploited worker's case.
Bob Russell.
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Bob it's unfortunate Climenhaga made a brief comment about your health and his overall attendance reporting to determine whether a councillor is worthy dismisses the valuable experience you have and the people imput you bring to council.To put such an emphases on attendance and not expand your surgery as a disability that occurred is reprehensible.He is attacking someone with a disability that occurred while in office. 

EDIT: Last sentence removed as inappropriate. - HH
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